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Discussion in 'General Mustang Discussion' started by JeffTepper, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. JeffTepper

    JeffTepper Well-Known Member

    Anyone hear of or know anything about these guys? I just stumbled upon their products today. Sounds like they are building a ground up vintage Mustang body here in the US as an alternative to Dynacorn. Their front and rear suspension designs look interesting. It seems they are well funded and have invested in the R&D side extensively. Here's a link to their site: http://r3pp.com/
  2. Midlife

    Midlife Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

    Looked at their website, but I could not see where they get their sheet metal and they don't say anything about having the stamping machines. I suspect most of the metal is from Dynacorn and/or other vendors.
  3. tarafied1

    tarafied1 Well-Known Member

    I had seen the website after seeing something about them on the web, as Mid said though it isn't clear if they make the shells themselves.
  4. B67FSTB

    B67FSTB The NorCal dude from Belgium

    They maybe assemble themselves , but where do the parts come from ? Dynacorn , Sherman ?
    I don't believe the story about taking measurement from each orignal car that were made at Metuchen , San Jose and that other plant for making they own parts.
    If they would make the parts themselves , it would shown on their website.
    Its something you should be proud of it and thereby they would show of with this on their website.
  5. Mach1 Driver

    Mach1 Driver Active Member

    I watched both the front and rear installation videos and they have the beefiest suspension (by far) for a classic that I've ever seen. If you're going restomod it looks like a very nice and well thought out system. I haven't read any handeling reviews, but I intend to stick with the more classic components (with upgrades) anyway. I haven't seen any pricing, but I'll bet its very $teep. Interesting company.
  6. stangg

    stangg Active Member

    It makes sense that they are using Dynacorn sheetmetal and assembling themselves... I'm pretty sure when Dynacorn first came out with the fastbacks, that they were shipping the components to the US and assembly was done stateside. If they were truly building their own sheetmetal stampings, then their suspension parts would be better integrated as opposed to looking like bolt-on parts.
  7. Horseplay

    Horseplay I Don't Care. Do you?

    The tooling costs alone would seem insurmountable for them to be doing this on their own. Even if they went overseas to get the metal stamped. Perhaps Dynacorn has suppliers that these guys are also using to produce their metal which would allow them to say its theirs. I don't see anything special or new in their suspension stuff from the two small pictures I came across. If i were to guess this is just another place to go to have someone build you a VERY EXPENSIVE reproduction vehicle. If I had to go the new shell route I would much rather buy the Dynacorn and do it all myself.
  8. Mach1 Driver

    Mach1 Driver Active Member

    for a better look watch the installation videos. The front is built like a tank, and the rear is a four link horizontal coil over. Its so far from stock that I wouldn't do it, but it sure is beefy.

  9. Horseplay

    Horseplay I Don't Care. Do you?

    Good find on the videos. Interesting approach using a cantilevered rear suspension. Hate that they promote it as a bolt in. Those brackets should be welded and I'm sure they do that in their own installations. Love the idea of a four link but those are the shortest upper arms I have ever seen on ANY install. Certainly not what I would call standard geometry but maybe it works well. Just looks weird.

    That whole front system is crazy! Beefy doesn't begin to cover it. Fabricated spindles even. Looks like something I would expect to find under the General Lee. I bet that could handle a few "bridge is out" jumps! Not a fan of the whole tubular crossmember apparatus though as it would seem a nightmare to try and work around. And those lower arms, my god. Overkill. Have to tip the hat to the engineering though as the whole thing looks thought out. Just not sure why so much for something short of a very serious race car.
  10. tarafied1

    tarafied1 Well-Known Member

    I am guessing this was a "racing" inspired suspension since it is a front steer design where you get zero or reverse ackerman. While that works great on race cars, it's not that great on street cars. And I know even rear steer will not have true ackerman during the entire sweep it is much better than front steer (on a street car). I also know it is possible to get a front steer to have ackerman but the tie rod ends have to really intrude into the wheel area.
    It also brings up the age old (okay vintage mustangs only go back so far) debate on what cutting the shock towers out of the car do to it's strength. Looks like a nice kit though, I wonder how much weight savings if any...
  11. RacingJason

    RacingJason New Member

    Hey everybody I'm in the process of planning a significant refresh of my '69 Coupe. I've owned the car since Junior year of high school (1993) my pops and I restored it for my graduation and anyhow that pro drag style is outdated now and I want to go a different direction with the car. Just today I decided to try looking for reviews of the company which is how I found my way to this thread so I decided to register and give you my 2 cents.

    Long story short I've been planning and researching for my upcoming (re)build and came across R3PP oddly enough from a Craigslist ad. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but for reference here's an example https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ctd/d/ford-mustang-body/6695025838.html

    I watched the SEMA coverage and vetted their website nothing looked sketchy. They do appear to be licensed by Ford Motor Company to reproduce these parts. I called and a pleasant gal answered the phone, answered quite a number of my questions, and jotted down the ones she couldn't answer. About a day or two later Ray (the owner allegedly) called me back. The guy was very enthusiastic almost salesman like he answered all my questions and on a high level things sounded pretty amazing. However I couldn't get over the over confidence this guy had. (tin foil hat on) I just kept thinking too good to be true. Ray mentioned they did in fact spend millions on their own tooling these bodies and panels are NOT Dynacorn's or someone else's (his words). One thing that I caught in the SEMA video when they were asked "And this is all made in the USA right?" they're response was "Yes its all assembled in the USA". Now I didn't press the matter but common sense tells me when you replace the word "made" with "assembled" its not made here in the States. Ray did say all the metal fab and massaging was done in house to very tight tolerances - in other words all the panel gaps would be spot on and better than OEM.

    They sell all sorts of parts ala cart but primarily sell the shells in kits so to speak. Basically original, street mod, and basically race car (full tube chassis / cage, etc.) I inquired about the street mod package - which in my opinion sets the car up like a restomod. Muscle car exterior and all the modern amenities underneath. A rolling chassis (shell, doors, fenders, hood, trunk lid) with their front and rear suspension setups using a full floater 32 spline moser with Wilwood's all the way around, was roughly around $35k. This was for a '69 Fastback. IMO that's not a bad deal considering you can't find a rust free donor fastback around these parts for that. I've seen totally rusted and trashed cars for 10 to 20k.

    1)Fair price IMO
    2)Parts look amazingly well built / innovative / new design
    3) Parts licensed by Ford

    1) The company is relatively new and I was skeptical of "we can do anything" sales approach. Call me paranoid but I've seen and heard of far too many stories where guys lost their money or ended up with a totally botched project to the new guy in town who can suddenly give you the world at a bargain price.
    2) Custom build parts mean there are no off the shelf replacements. Their spindles are custom so in the event you ever need another better hope their doors are still open. This is a risk with any new business in my mind though.
    3) This one thing irked me - the photo on their website of the facility is FAR FROM what the place really looks like when you google street view the place. This turned me off - you're obviously trying to show you're something you're not.
    4) Lastly I found a google review for R3PP (that has since been taken down) with someone saying "Be sure to google Ray Carmody Fraud" Well first and foremost this is the same name as the gentlemen I spoke to - and upon googling such a thing I read numerous stories on other Mustang forums how a bloke named Ray Carmody owned a company called Drake Customs. From my research it looked like DC promised a lot in terms of custom bodies and even coupe to fastback conversions. Well they went out of business taking a lot of folks money with them as well as having customer cars abandoned and having to take legal action to re-obtain them.

    So in a nut shell that's what my research has discovered. Are these allegations true? I don't know but google it and decide yourself based on other car forum horror stories. If they are true can people change / do you believe in 2nd chances? For me its a maybe, but I'm not willing to make a $30k gamble on that right now. My recommendation is wait it out the company is only 3 years old. Let's see actual clients with finished cars first.

    If you're just buying parts I see far less risk but if you're flipping 30k+ for a rolling chassis its a whole other story.

    Side note you can add the best suspension in the world but at the end of the day its on a unibody and nothing will ever compare to a full chassis. At any rate I hope this helps the folks here or any future folks wondering the same things I was.

    Keep it between the ditches.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  12. Horseplay

    Horseplay I Don't Care. Do you?

    Gee. Thanks, Jason. First post is a very suspect bashing of a vendor with the usual, "I'm going with this other guy instead..." Nothing fishy here ;)
  13. RacingJason

    RacingJason New Member

    o_O I hope that's interwebs sarcasm LOL. I really was trying to list pros and cons and then my conclusion backed by the information I found. I can edit out my mention of my alternative shop.
  14. Horseplay

    Horseplay I Don't Care. Do you?

    Your first post here is bashing a vendor and then suggesting another. Have to admit that just reeks of foul play. That was my point. When you throw in the fraud bit it gets even fishier. Smacks of sour grapes. I've seen it many times in forums. Didn't mean anything personal.

    Welcome to the Fix, by the way. Our only rule here is we love pics. Let's see your car!
  15. RacingJason

    RacingJason New Member

    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  16. tarafied1

    tarafied1 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the fix. Don’t let Terry chase you away!
    And we do like pics.

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