Author Topic: Mini High-Torque Starter - Recommendations? (Read 2073 times)

miketyler · « **Reply #25 on:** September, 14, 2010, 10:18:44 AM »

I need to order one of these as well. I emailed DBE thru eBay and asked about compatibility with 351C running AOD automatic and they said "should be fine for your application"

Just need to pull the trigger

hivewax · « **Reply #26 on:** September, 16, 2010, 09:53:51 AM »

I have the ~~DSE~~ DBE mini in the bell-housing plate, but the circular lip is a little bigger than the hole, so it's tilted a little. Is this a problem? :rp

tarafied1 · « **Reply #27 on:** September, 16, 2010, 10:37:15 AM »

yes, if the starter is tilted it won't engage the the teeth properly. It might work but could damage the flywheel and/or starter teeth over time. It might also just make a lot of grinding noise the first time and wipe out the teeth.

hivewax · « **Reply #28 on:** September, 17, 2010, 09:58:45 AM »

Should I use a Dremel to massage the bell-housing plate or just return the mini back to ~~DSE~~ DBE? This is a China made copy of the Ford PMGR mini-starter.

tarafied1 · « **Reply #29 on:** September, 17, 2010, 10:42:15 AM »

I personally wouldn't grind on the motor plate since it is a Ford part. It also (along with the bolts) locates the starter. If it's a matter of thousands of an inch, I'd emery the starter OD, but of course your stuck with it then.

silverblueBP · « **Reply #30 on:** September, 17, 2010, 10:55:20 AM »

You get what you pay for imo. I wouldn't modify a part you know is correct.

GT350 · « **Reply #31 on:** September, 18, 2010, 02:11:19 AM »

im running a db electrical starter that i got off them on ebay over a yr ago no issues at all

AtlantaSteve · « **Reply #32 on:** September, 18, 2010, 05:27:18 AM »

Quote from: hivewax on September, 17, 2010, 09:58:45 AM

Should I use a Dremel to massage the bell-housing plate or just return the mini back to DSE? This is a China made copy of the Ford PMGR mini-starter.

DSE = DBElectrical?? I was considering ordering a DB Electrical this week...Is this a bad idea? I'd heard so much good, and the price cannot be beat

hivewax · « **Reply #33 on:** September, 18, 2010, 08:40:16 AM »

Yes, I corrected my mistake. DSE is DBE (DB Electrical)... my bad.

I believe I had the same problem with an replacement reproduction starter I got from NAPA. The circular lip was a little larger than the bell-housing hole. I returned it and ordered the PowerMaster mentioned in my 1st post, which didn't fit either for the same reason from my recollection. Then took it to a shop that ordered the CHM mini. So, maybe I have a weird bell-housing plate. Can I find a part number on it and you guys can see if it's original to the car??

hivewax · « **Reply #34 on:** September, 18, 2010, 06:24:29 PM »

Ford starter + flywheel tech tips - https://www.speedwaymotors.com/images/pdf/91067433.pdf
Sourced from - http://www.forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=32289

hivewax · « **Reply #35 on:** September, 20, 2010, 05:27:52 AM »

I'm going to check out the '93 5.0L mini @Pep Boys with lifetime warranty to see if the circular lip is 4-1/16" or 4-1/8". $120 new or $100 re-manufactured.

hivewax · « **Reply #36 on:** September, 20, 2010, 10:34:25 AM »

Here is a PDF of Ford starter gear depth information from Tom Payne at PowerMaster. Let me know if the link isn't working... first time trying out GDocs.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=1wxkAVHXlwsN96vd2f_IDd4eRQTJNSHnAZ9TEmO62rdpXKuQ53O6gRt7jGkS3&authkey=CJi_hdYK&hl=en

It explains why a 9604 mini doesn't fit a 289, 4-speed, 157-tooth and to use 9603. The '93 5.0L mini from Pep Boys fits in the larger 4-1/8" starter registry hole, so it won't fit... bummer, I liked the lifetime warranty.

Midlife · « **Reply #37 on:** September, 20, 2010, 01:21:15 PM »

Quote from: hivewax on September, 20, 2010, 10:34:25 AM

Here is a PDF of Ford starter gear depth information from Tom Payne at PowerMaster. Let me know if the link isn't working... first time trying out GDocs.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=1wxkAVHXlwsN96vd2f_IDd4eRQTJNSHnAZ9TEmO62rdpXKuQ53O6gRt7jGkS3&authkey=CJi_hdYK&hl=en

It explains why a 9604 mini doesn't fit a 289, 4-speed, 157-tooth and to use 9603. The '93 5.0L mini from Pep Boys fits in the larger 4-1/8" starter registry hole, so it won't fit... bummer, I liked the lifetime warranty.

Thank you for that link and picture, which explains why the 9603 and 9604 get confused so often. For manual cars, one could use either one, depending upon the number of teeth on the flywheel.