Pedal Predicament - new clutch pedal in the 67

[sigtauenus]

I'll post a picture of my set-up sometime this evening, but I have an automatic pedal in mine that I just cut the excess pedal off the left side to fit the manual pedal pad.  As far as I know you can't tell the difference unless you pull the rubber pad off and look at it.

[B67FSTB]

I think that is not JOESGT281 intension.
He will cut the brake pedal metal pad so i matches a manual rubber brake pad .

[joesgt281]

An automatic pedal regardless of power or not was never intended to have a clutch pedal as a neighbor.

I would guess 10 out of 10 times, they ain't gonna match up.

That's a good point! 

[joesgt281]

I'm curious to find out how that works out for you.... those pedal arms are pretty solid and by design shouldn't bend very easily.

I was thinking of using a torch. 
Or, like Sluggo suggested, cut off the pad and re-weld.

[sigtauenus]

Here's mine.

Now note, my car is currently configured as a T-5 with cable clutch and power disc brakes.  My brake pedal started life as an automatic brake pedal.  My brake pedal bracket/hanger started life as a manual brake bracket/hanger.

I was mistaken above about the bolt deal, it is actually studs on the booster that come through the firewall and then get nuts under the dash as shown in the pics.  I had to cut off the captive nuts on the manual brake hanger to make this work with the power brake booster.

The power brake pedal was hung using a bolt in the upper mounting hole that was already located in the manual brake bracket.  All I had to do was trim the pedal to use the smaller manual transmission rubber pad.

First pic of the pedals is pedal height with no tension, second pic is pushing the clutch pedal down a little bit to be at the same point on the arc as the brake pedal.  They match up pretty close.

[johnpro]

The only way two pedals are going to match is if they came from the same car as an assembly.

The pedals that came on the 70 hangar I bought to get the clutch pedal from matched perfectly because they were produced as an assembly.

When I cut the auto pedal and put the clutch pedal in, the clutch was lower. I had to grind out the weld and move the pad up. I had to move
it far enough that I had to round over the bottom of the lever because it stuck out past the pad.

I'm going to have to disagree here.  I bought a clutch  pedal and a Power brake pedal off Ebay and put them on my non-power brake hangar.  They are the same length and adjusted to the same height.  There's no way Ford custom made every clutch pedal.  They were mass produced.

[B67FSTB]

Boys boys boys.
Are we talking the same modelyear here ???
I did it the same way like Sigtauenus but we both have a 67/68 mustang.
Pedal brackets differents from year to year.

[buening]

John was your power brake pedal from an automatic or a manual trans car?  I think the issues comes down to automatic vs manual trans brake pedal lengths, although Sluggo's post could be interpreted that one manual trans brake pedal may be way different than another manual trans brake pedal.   I too doubt the pedal hanger and pedals were all made at the same time.  I'd guess a large crate of each comes in and they just assemble them on the line.

[joesgt281]

The power brake pedal was hung using a bolt in the upper mounting hole that was already located in the manual brake bracket.  All I had to do was trim the pedal to use the smaller manual transmission rubber pad.

Great pics...thanks.
Looks like your brake pedal is hung from the clutch pedal shaft, as opposed to from the point higher up, is that correct?
And since you've got power brakes, did you have to use a special pushrod?

[Sluggo]

I'm going to have to disagree here.  I bought a clutch  pedal and a Power brake pedal off Ebay and put them on my non-power brake hangar.  They are the same length and adjusted to the same height.  There's no way Ford custom made every clutch pedal.  They were mass produced.

Was it a power brake pedal for a automatic?

[Sluggo]

I'm not trying to say they were custom built. What I am saying is when the pedal hangar assemblies were built they were built on a separate line. (Assumption)
The hangar would have been assembled bushings first, pedal levers, etc. Then as the last step of that process the pad or foot part of pedal/s were attached
in a reasonable effort to get the pedals to look level with each other on the horizontal plane.

Auto pedal pads were done the same way but did not have to match a nearby pedal on the horizontal, they just had to be plastered on the lever so they were
horizontally level.

Given the production tolerances that were in place in those days, it's the only reasonable explanation my feeble mind can come up with. I can't recall seeing a pedal
that did not appear level.(unless the bushings are shot) The lever stampings vary from car to car during the same year. Lay two or three levers side by side. While they
will be very similar in shape, they are not exact copies of one another. If they are not exact copies of one another then you can't put the pad in the exact same place
on every one.

I also believe this is the reason why it's welded from the front side.

I could be completely full of shart. I guess this is all based on an assumption that a quality control guy said at some point "why are these friggin pedals not even?"

I seriously doubt that the two pedals were produced separately, had the pads welded on and they just hoped the pad looked level once installed. Now, whether or not
the pedal hangar assembly person cared how even they were is an entirely different issue.

[sigtauenus]

Great pics...thanks.
Looks like your brake pedal is hung from the clutch pedal shaft, as opposed to from the point higher up, is that correct?
And since you've got power brakes, did you have to use a special pushrod?

Nope, its on its own bolt as oppsed to the clutch pedal shaft.  3rd picture you can barely see the bolt head up high on the bracket.

[joesgt281]

Nope, its on its own bolt as oppsed to the clutch pedal shaft.  3rd picture you can barely see the bolt head up high on the bracket.

Yep, I see it now.

[johnpro]

Ok, I understand what you're saying now, Sluggo. 

Mine was an original manual trans power brake pedal, and an original clutch pedal.  I guess that's why I had no issues.

You were beginning to scare me, in that the company that invented mass production tossed all that out the window to do custom pedals on what essentially was a cheap-arsed car.

:ecit

[joesgt281]

I took the suggestion of B67FSTB and did the bending method and it came out pretty good.  The pic below uses the 2x4s to show them at something near normal position.
Do yall think there's adequate spacing of the clutch pedal from the brake pedal?
I could get more space, and elevate the clutch pedal, with some more bending.

[sigtauenus]

Looks decent to me.

[Sluggo]

Acceptable.

[AzPete]

The proper spacing between the pedals is totally dependent on the size of the boot plus the accuracy of the boot owner.....

That said, it looks good.

[B67FSTB]

IIRC you have to have at least 2 inches between pedal pads.

[joesgt281]

K, thanks guys