Eastwood ceramic engine paint - anyone used it?

[apollard]

They claim it's highly chemical and chip resistant, and can be catalyzed (which appeals to me for durability). Found only a couple of links about it on a google search, most saying it works well, a few complaints about color. Anybody here used it?

Eastwood's "Ford Dark Blue" Ceramic Engine Paint withstands up to 650 degreesF

Super-durable, high-temp engine paint utilizes ceramic nano-technology to produce a beautiful, factory-look finish that protects your engine and resists chips, chemicals and heat.


Withstands up to 650 degreesF (highest in the industry!)
Easy to apply - brush or spray
1-quart can covers approx. 40 square feet
For additional durability and gloss, add Urethane Activator

http://www.eastwood.com/ew-ceramic-engine-paint-qt-66-80-ford-dk-bl.html

[janschutz]

I used it on my wife's engine.  When the radiator puked all over everything, the antifreeze spotted the paint.

[apollard]

I guess for them chemical resistance menas it doesn't come off 

Anybody else?

[67 evil eleanor]

Not Eastwood's but others. I didn't notice them being any better that the rattle can high temp enamel sprays. I can only guess the ceramic is nothing more than ground up "stuff" and will not bond together unless heated to its melting point. I always liked using a catalyzed paint as it seems to be the most resistant and durable. A small HVLP is very handy for this kind of work.

[stangg]

I used the Bill Hirsch Ford Red engine enamal and had similar issues with a couple of small antifreeze leaks causing stains.   Also had some antifreeze puddle up in the top left valley on the top of the  timing cover that lifted the paint after a while.   Other than that it still looks good,  much better shine than the rattle can paint IMO...

[apollard]

You know, I was wondering about using regular auto paint, since it has to stand up to some punishing temps & conditions. Lots of respected guys use it, and over on the boat forum I frequent, thats about all they use - and those engines are some serious eye candy. Thinking I'll go that way, just gotta find one close to Ford Blue.  Heck, I'd think the right silver with a flattened clear coat would be a good aluminum look also.

[RyanG85]

Dupont Imron. single stage paint, great finish, very durable.

[apollard]

ANybody know a code that's a good match for Ford Dark Blue?

[buckeyedemon]

PPG code 13358.   Ford Blue.

i paid something like $26 for a quart of color.

[cmayna]

THAT is far from being Ford dark blue.

[SELLERSRODSHOP]

i've used the por-15 engine paint a couple times with really good results. it's a heavy paint that covers well over rough cast parts & lasted really well.

back in the "old days" acrylic enamel was the ticket for engine paint. in fact, the 350 in my old chev truck was painted with acrylic enamel (body color) & is still holding up well.

[Midlife]

That's Ditzler 13558.  PPG DAR 13898 is what I used, and it was recommended by Bob Perkins.  Spot on for Ford Dark Blue!

[buckeyedemon]

THAT is far from being Ford dark blue.

That's Ditzler 13558.  PPG DAR 13898 is what I used, and it was recommended by Bob Perkins.  Spot on for Ford Dark Blue!

i'm not sure if you two are referencing my post or not.  I'm doing a 69 so maybe there were darker blues for the engines after that you are referencing?  I thought Ford Corporate Blue was the blue they were using for years (not the earlier lighter blue engines).

Read this particular article from Mustang Monthly written by Bob Perkins.

here is one statement you'll find:

"The engine is painted Ford Corporate Blue. I use Ditzler DAR 13358 for maximum durability and color."

http://www.mustangmonthly.com/tipstricks/mump_0407_1969_mustang_mach_1_1969_mustang_boss_429/viewall.html

here is a comparison with a favorite (plastikote 224) of the rattle can experts with the above mentioned ppg 13358.




this is the code on my paint



can you two tell me where i'm in error?  i certainly don't want to propagate wrong information.

[Midlife]

Ditzler is no longer in business, being bought out by PPG, IIRC.  Your quote may be in error as printed as there is no such thing as Ditzler DAR.  DAR is a product line, also under PPG, but doesn't use the Ditzler numbering system.

[buckeyedemon]

Ditzler is no longer in business, being bought out by PPG, IIRC.  Your quote may be in error as printed as there is no such thing as Ditzler DAR.  DAR is a product line, also under PPG, but doesn't use the Ditzler numbering system.

ditzler/deltron whatever.  13358 is a legitimate PPG code.   what am i missing?

[buckeyedemon]

ANybody know a code that's a good match for Ford Dark Blue?

besides my suggestion (which apparently is flawed), i would recommend searching some of the other forums for recommendations.

[lethal289]

I always thought there was ford blue, and ford dark blue! 

besides my suggestion (which apparently is flawed), i would recommend searching some of the other forums for recommendations.

You went the same route as me which i thought was the lighter of the two colors.

[apollard]

Thanks guys. Other forums include the same codes and somewhat confusing info. However, I'll take those codes to the paint shop and pick the chip that matches what I want the best.

[buckeyedemon]

You went the same route as me which i thought was the lighter of the two colors.

ok, since you went the same route as me (i.e. 13358), maybe the problem is i don't understand what "blue" and "dark blue" is. 

Can you define what years ford used "blue" and what years ford used "dark blue"?

your response makes me believe you did some comparisons.  do you have side by side comparisons of the paint you used versus what you consider light and dark (with part numbers)?

if you don't have either of the above, do you have a picture of your final product?  and i understand it's difficult to get a good color representation with lighting.

and lastly, what was type code for the paint used for your 13358 color code (i.e DCC, DAR, JAU, JAE, etc, a picture of the paint code sticker would be preferred) and what did you spray as a base (black epoxy, gray epoxy, gray primer, direct to metal, etc)?

[buckeyedemon]

That's Ditzler 13558.  PPG DAR 13898 is what I used, and it was recommended by Bob Perkins.  Spot on for Ford Dark Blue!

midlife,

could you help me understand a few things?

in the following thread you indicate Charles Turner gave you the 13898 paint code. yet you mentioned in this thread that Bob Perkins gave you the 13898 code?

http://www.stangfix.com/testforum2/index.php/topic,2649.0.html


Also in the following thread you indicate Charles Turner recommended a special recipe (you never indicated the recipe which seems to be a waste).  Further down in the thread a guest mentions (i'm about 95% certain that's Charles Turner) the codes came from Bob Perkins out of a Mustang Monthly article.  I've linked one particular Mustang Monthly article previously where he mentions the 13358 code and i'm pretty sure he's mentioned 13358 in other mustang monthly articles.  Any insight here?

http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/523641-66-68-engine-color-part-ii.html


Also for reference, on the Concours Mustang site, Perkins, Turner and Speegle never mention the 13898 code for blue but there is talk of 13358 (Perkins even states 13358 is the original Ford Corporate Blue formula).  I would have thought one of them would have chimed in with the perfect spot on match 13898 code you mention.

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=788.0


You do mention a paint code in the following thread which was 133898.  I'm pretty sure this is a typo.  Do you have the original can of paint you used showing the paint code?

I'm just trying to get the facts straight as it's been implied here that the 13358 paint i used is not a good paint color.

[buckeyedemon]

THAT is far from being Ford dark blue.

The following picture of a valve cover was taken from the following link.  The person claims it was painted Duplicolor 1606.  Compare that to my engine.

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=788.msg4009#msg4009







In the following thread you make the following statement:

http://www.stangfix.com/testforum2/index.php/topic,2649.0.html

Picked up a few cans of Duplicolor DE1606 engine paint last night.  Nice dark blue.

For future reference, keep in mind that lighting/cameras can play games with colors.

[Midlife]

Yes, the paint code was given to me by Charles Turner, who got it from Bob Perkins.  I still have the note with the paint color: DAR 13898, Duplicolor DE 1606, and Martin Seynour 7958 are all equivalents.  I ended up with Centari 63203A, by DuPont, and it is another equivalent that my paint shop cross-referenced to the 13898 color.  The recipe I referred to by CT is the same DAR 13898. 

There are 3 Ford Blue colors: a light Ford Blue, a Dark Corporate Blue (13898) and a later Corporate Blue, intermediate between the two.  The DCB has a tinge of purple in it to my eye.

I wonder if the 13358 code is the later Corporate Blue.  Indeed it is, as the color change was made by Ford in 1969, IIRC.  The link that references 13358 is for a 69.

[Midlife]

I'm going by memory as to what happened (7 years ago)...I believe the paint shop couldn't find the 13898 code, but matched it to the Martin-Seymour code....

[caspian65]

I don't recall giving out a 13898 code, but anything is possible I guess.  If I did, it was a mistake.  The code that I'm certain I have been giving out for many years is DAR 13358 which is a PPG acrylic enamel code.  From what I understand, the DAR line has been discontinued in some areas.  My painter can still get it mixed with no problems though.

As to the color being light or dark, I think a lot depends on surface preparation and how it's applied.  Originally the paint barely covered, which might give it a dark appearance over time.  A lot of times 13358 will match up very close to areas with original paint like valve covers and air cleaners.  Although, with everything we know about how these cars were made, it is very likely that there were some variations of engine paint color.

One last thing I will mention is that there are very few original examples to go by these days and I think a lot of opinions are based on... well, just that, opinions.  There have been so many variations of corporate blue in rattle cans that over the years has most likely skewed memories of what was originally applied by Ford.

[Midlife]

Thanks, Charles, for clearing that up.  That explains why my paint shop couldn't find the 13898 code, but the match they did make to the other color designations was very pleasing to my eye.