Author Topic: Sign this Petition or say Goodbye to Classics (Read 1146 times)

Daves69Coupe · « **on:** March, 10, 2011, 12:43:23 PM »

The Federal Government wants to mandate e15 fuel use (the EPA has already okayed it). Right now our fuel is considered e10. If e15 is becomes our new fuel, many of our Mustangs will no longer be able to be driven w/o major modifications (efi only- carburated engines could not even be modofied). The historic vehicle organization is fighting back. They are asking all classic car owners to sign this petition via http://www.historicvehicle.org/no-ethanol.php
Please use this link and join the fight. Tell your friends too! Thanks!

Courtesy of another poster from a 69 stang site.

B67FSTB · « **Reply #1 on:** March, 10, 2011, 12:46:15 PM »

Done .

tarafied1 · « **Reply #2 on:** March, 10, 2011, 01:23:19 PM »

SEMA action network is fighting this too.
It is a concern but carbed engines can be modified to run E85 and other versions of ethanol, the problem is that what ever you modify the carb to run on, that is all it can run on. Unlike EFI where the computer can read the O2 and adjust the mixture carbs cannot. The alcohol burns more fuel than gasoline so the mixture needs to be richer. The biggest issue is that alcohol attracts moisture and the two combined creates corrosion and eats the rubber. All of that can be dealt with by using better grade rubber and stainless steel lines and tank but it's expensive to convert.
I am all about supporting the preservation of the hobby but being a realist, I don't think we can stop it from happening. Especially as oil and gas prices soar. Personally I would switch my Mustang over to run E85 if I could find it at more gas stations. It burns cooler and has higher octane producing more power. Plus I live in Kentucky, I could have a still in my back yard and make my own and it would be completely normal!

silverblueBP · « **Reply #3 on:** March, 10, 2011, 01:38:43 PM »

It's the most ridiculous idea in the last 50 years, burning our raw food for fuel. Now if they made it from the waste, I could support it.

Gigantopithecus · « **Reply #4 on:** March, 10, 2011, 02:31:37 PM »

Quote from: silverblueBP on March, 10, 2011, 01:38:43 PM

It's the most ridiculous idea in the last 50 years, burning our raw food for fuel. Now if they made it from the waste, I could support it.

Or politicians....well that's pretty much the same as trash.

tarafied1 · « **Reply #5 on:** March, 10, 2011, 02:34:50 PM »

I agree we shouldn't use our corn but there are many things that will work. Brazil uses Sugar Cane and they have their own oil. They sell the oil to everyone else including us and run all their cars on Ethanol. We have the technology to become less dependent on oil.

Gigantopithecus · « **Reply #6 on:** March, 10, 2011, 02:38:39 PM »

I'd still prefer thermal depolymerization.

RustyRed · « **Reply #7 on:** March, 10, 2011, 02:46:43 PM »

We already have around 10% ethanol in the gas around here.

The Mustang runs "ok" with it but would certainly run better with pure gas. My step dad takes a long drive to buy "real" gas for his boat because at even 10% his boat runs like shart with the ethanol stuff.

I've considered eventually converting my Stang to fuel injection with an overdrive tranny. If they screw with the gas much I may go ahead and do so....

67 evil eleanor · « **Reply #8 on:** March, 10, 2011, 03:22:17 PM »

Done......

Badass70 · « **Reply #9 on:** March, 10, 2011, 04:54:26 PM »

i signed it, i hope to pass my cars along to my kids someday..

to 15

tarafied1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March, 10, 2011, 05:34:07 PM »

Quote from: RustyRed on March, 10, 2011, 02:46:43 PM

We already have around 10% ethanol in the gas around here.

The Mustang runs "ok" with it but would certainly run better with pure gas. My step dad takes a long drive to buy "real" gas for his boat because at even 10% his boat runs like shart with the ethanol stuff.

I've considered eventually converting my Stang to fuel injection with an overdrive tranny. If they screw with the gas much I may go ahead and do so....

Ethanol will dissolve built up carbon as it burns, so the end result is a clean engine. However, buildup, varnish and other dirts from the fuel system floating within the fuel will cause fuel filter clogging as well as prohibit carburetor jets from working correctly. My Mustang has everything new, including gas tank, fuel pump, fuel lines, carb, etc. etc. so I have only used E10 since the rebuild. There was no build-up for the ethanol to break loose. In say a car that had not been totally rebuilt or restored or a boat for example, there could be build-up that the E10 starts to dissolve in the fuel and make it run bad.

blue65coupe · « **Reply #11 on:** March, 10, 2011, 06:30:06 PM »

Quote from: silverblueBP on March, 10, 2011, 01:38:43 PM

It's the most ridiculous idea in the last 50 years, burning our raw food for fuel.

Nuff said. (I actually had a long response typed out and realized I was not in the appropriate forum)

apollard · « **Reply #12 on:** March, 10, 2011, 06:37:22 PM »

All carb engines can be jetted & timed to run on E whatever (within reason).

However, the situation for boats is a little more serious: Most USCG approved fuel lines up to the early 2000s were not tested and often not compatable with ethanol containing fuel. So, fuel line leaks become an issue. THis is a huge problem on a boat due to the confined nature of the engine compartment/ bilge- it would be like having a fuel leak in your trunk and having ignition sources there. BOOM.

The other issue with boats is that like our Mustangs, they have open fuel systems, so they breathe. Moisture around boats is obviously high, leading to moisture in the fuel - and ehtanol separation. It then corrodes the aluminum tanks, and craps up your system. A huge problem for folks that don't run often.

About the only thing Al Gore has said that is honest in years: This is nothing more than vote buying in the midwest corn belt, especially Iowa.

tarafied1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March, 10, 2011, 07:19:02 PM »

good points about the boats.

RustyRed · « **Reply #14 on:** March, 11, 2011, 06:40:42 AM »

Quote from: tarafied1 on March, 10, 2011, 05:34:07 PM

My Mustang has everything new, including gas tank, fuel pump, fuel lines, carb, etc. etc. so I have only used E10 since the rebuild. There was no build-up for the ethanol to break loose. In say a car that had not been totally rebuilt or restored or a boat for example, there could be build-up that the E10 starts to dissolve in the fuel and make it run bad.

+1...minus I don't think I've ever replaced the fuel lines but the tank and everything else were new over the last several years.

My Stang runs pretty well on pump gas even with the ethanol. I made the mistake of putting regular grade in it once....bad idea. It prefers the premium and since I don't drive it much I usually go with that. Every once in a while I step down to the middle grade gas.

cmayna · « **Reply #15 on:** March, 11, 2011, 08:07:58 AM »

The only thing that I'm hearing we should be aware of is the amount of potential rust developing in your standard steel fuel lines, so we should consider going SS.

guruatbol · « **Reply #16 on:** March, 11, 2011, 08:24:56 AM »

I have considered CNG.

Mel

KanterPerformance · « **Reply #17 on:** March, 11, 2011, 10:35:22 AM »

Don't know how much it will help but I signed it.

Erick

KBMWRS · « **Reply #18 on:** March, 11, 2011, 01:49:11 PM »

I signed and signed for all in my household using different e-mails.

Try doing the same for those in your house with their own e-mails.

SAC69 · « **Reply #19 on:** March, 11, 2011, 01:50:36 PM »

Quote from: cmayna on March, 11, 2011, 08:07:58 AM

The only thing that I'm hearing we should be aware of is the amount of potential rust developing in your standard steel fuel lines, so we should consider going SS.

If we are replacing the line to the tank, would braided steel hose work? Alcohol racecars use it.

68bucks · « **Reply #20 on:** March, 11, 2011, 04:56:44 PM »

Done, both work & personal email.

tarafied1 · « **Reply #21 on:** March, 11, 2011, 07:08:50 PM »

Quote from: SAC69 on March, 11, 2011, 01:50:36 PM

If we are replacing the line to the tank, would braided steel hose work? Alcohol racecars use it.

yes, the Alcohol racers have already addressed the issues. Anything they are using will be good for Ethanol too.

SAC69 · « **Reply #22 on:** March, 11, 2011, 07:30:39 PM »

I rec'd this newsletter from Hagarty Insurance, it sounds like there is some hope:
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Update: Ethanol

Chalk up another victory on the path to repealing the EPA