Alternatives to cubic inches

[cmayna]

don't add displacement ... add LIGHTNESS

don't add displacement ... install lower gears

don't add displacement ... improve the exhaust system

don't add displacement ... install lighter wheel/tire assemblies, especially in the rear

don't add displacement ... install a lighter drive shaft

don't add displacement ... get a girlfriend who doesn't weigh so damn much!!!!

[66gt350]

don't add displacement ... get a girlfriend who doesn't weigh so damn much!!!!

Or just...leave the girlfriend at home.  That way your wife don't see you two together!!!

[DougG69]

add LIGHTNESS
install lower gears
improve the exhaust system
install lighter wheel/tire assemblies, especially in the rear
install a lighter drive shaft
get a girlfriend who doesn't weigh so damn much!!!!

All fine ideas... but I'm still eyeballing stroker kits :)

[70_Fastback]

All fine ideas... but I'm still eyeballing stroker kits :)

Hell yeah.   

[d_ford]

Sorry dude...I prefer displacement.

[Jonk67]

don't add displacement ... add LIGHTNESS

If you can't lighten, move it to the rear over the axle > battery, etc. whatever can be displaced rearward above the axle.

Tweak the car for the race venue > remove front sway bar for 1/8mi., 1/4mi. wt. transfer at launch,
                                                  > move ballast around to get all 4 corners wt. as even as possible for autoX, opentrack.
Am I on the right track here?
Jon

[ZFORCE]

How about Don't add displacement, pack it in with a supercharger!

[mustang67408]

How about Don't add displacement, pack it in with a supercharger!

and while your at it toss in a shot of NOS.
I did all 3

1: stoke it baby
2: blow it baby
3: shoot it baby
this all equals a HAPPY ENDING!!!

[tarafied1]

as long as she stays together! really I bet that's a wild ride!

[mustang67408]

as long as she stays together! really I bet that's a wild ride!

Not worried about it staying together, It's a street car not a drag car . I triple checked every spec a few times and had her balanced twice. I know shit breaks, but it is what it is.......drive it like ya stole it! If it breaks....we fix. I just have to remember NOT to down shift.
The last engine was a 377 with a 200 shot, it lasted 12 years before it started to smoke, nothing broke, just needs rings and bearings....that's now for another project someday.
This engine = Can you say "E" TICKET Ride!
I just stab the throttle to change lanes. These MT's I have are old and worn, but I just had to put shoes on my truck, so her tires will come later this year.

[tarafied1]

I would love to go for a ride, I need to get my E ticket!

what would you estimate it costs to build a blown engine? any details on the build? like what crank? anything special on the head gaskets, what CR? stuff like that. I'm build a drag race 67 but won't have a big budget. I was contemplating a turbo...

[mustang67408]

There is probably $10K +  in this engine including the chroming/polishing/powdercoating/ Extreme cylinder head  & intake manifold work.

Crank is an Eagle Stroker  (.5" stroke)
Aluminum Rods are Groden (6.2")
Headgaskets are Cometic MLS
Pistons SRP
Compression is 9.0:1
Motorsports Block (4 bolt main)
Clay Smith Solid Roller Cam (.7?? lift)
Titanium Exh valves, keepers and retainers
Custom 2" Headers
2- 830 Annual Discharge Holleys- Flowed by Quick Fuel Technolgies
Aluminum flywheel
SPEC 5 puck Clutch

I would love to build a Turbo enghine, but out here in Las Vegas I am afraid of the heat factor during the summer.

[tarafied1]

thanks for the info, I have never built a blown motor. I am thinking the turbo will be a bit more forgiving plus mine will be purpose built so it won't have to cruise the strip. When the time comes I will be asking you a lot of questions!

[mustang67408]

thanks for the info, I have never built a blown motor. I am thinking the turbo will be a bit more forgiving plus mine will be purpose built so it won't have to cruise the strip. When the time comes I will be asking you a lot of questions!

Ask away, I'd be happy to share info and horrer stories

[Jonk67]

Craig, there's a guy here in Nashville I've met a few times running a turbo on a 351W in a '67, he's on the 'other' site as BrianJ5600. Here's his cardomain, it may get you started, he just upped his turbo size last summer (pg.5):
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2435094/1967-ford-mustang

I could see if he wants to meet up next time you're by my place?
Jon

[mustang67408]

If I were to build a strictly DARG CAR, I would also go with a turbo or 2. They are definatley hard to beat. Look at all those PSCA guys, now thats fast!
That mustang from the post above looks awesome and like a great project/ride...definatley worth looking into. I've built quite a few turbo Supras ( am I allowed to say that?) and then just flat haul a$$ too. I think the secret to reliable turbos is keeping the oil and the intakecharge cool.

[Starfury]

don't add displacement ... get a girlfriend who doesn't weigh so damn much!!!!

Or like Rob said, just leave her at home, heh.  The last time my gf was in the car, she cried.  Something dying and who's going to take care of the kid...

[tarafied1]

Craig, there's a guy here in Nashville I've met a few times running a turbo on a 351W in a '67, he's on the 'other' site as BrianJ5600. Here's his cardomain, it may get you started, he just upped his turbo size last summer (pg.5):
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2435094/1967-ford-mustang

I could see if he wants to meet up next time you're by my place?
Jon

yeah, that would be great!

If I were to build a strictly DARG CAR, I would also go with a turbo or 2. They are definatley hard to beat. Look at all those PSCA guys, now thats fast!
That mustang from the post above looks awesome and like a great project/ride...definatley worth looking into. I've built quite a few turbo Supras ( am I allowed to say that?) and then just flat haul a$$ too. I think the secret to reliable turbos is keeping the oil and the intakecharge cool.

I go to the drag races a lot and I do see a lot of Turbo cars. You can admit to working on Toyota's here too, your not alone.

[mustang67408]

You can admit to working on Toyota's here too, your not alone.

Great, cause my Tundra is S/C'd too! and I am right in the middle of turning it from a 2wd into a 4wd. 

[tarafied1]

wow, now that needs to be in the member build threads too. We got rat rods and Fairlanes, why not a Tundra 2wd to 4wd convertion?!?

[M-train]

Lets see, I have a 347 stroker with a Paxton Novi 1200, all forged {wifes car} 65 fastback, I have a 540FE tunnel port, titanium retainers, custom this and that bla, bla, forged  bla with a Procharger F1r on a 67 Mustang fb, a twin turbo 363w in a 90 Mazda pickup Dart block, bla, bla,  a fiberbab 65 Mustang fb with a 427w, World block, World 10deg heads, bla, bla, with a Procharger F2.

And, last an 02 Tacoma 4cyl with a turbo.

Force induction is fun, but $$$$, and time consuming to fabricate.

Oh, and I DID try every trick in the book on the Mazda pickup, with gutting the bed, moving the battery, removing the power steering, electric fan, but that angry 85hp engine was still a turd, which is what we got here, more cubes, and turbos.

[M-train]

A really great example of the less weight idea is the 05 to present Lotus Elise. I weighs only 1900 lbs, and is as close to a go cart, or motorcycle that you can get, from what I have read on it. At 1900lbs it even comes with an AC and stereo.

However, I think Lotus should have looked into the Honda S2000 engine vs the Toyota 2zz that they went with. The Toyota engine only puts out 180hp which does move a car this light, but is still not what it could be.

If I ever own one I plan to change the engine over to a turbo engine, and tranny from a Toyota MR2. Even if you did rebuild the 2z 11:1 comp ratio down to a turbo friendly 9:1 cr, the transmission becomes the weak link. So installing the whole drive train from the MR2 would solve this problem.

[silverblueBP]

There's a guy that brings his Exige out to the track days. That thing is a street legal, rocket powered go kart!

[Starfury]

However, I think Lotus should have looked into the Honda S2000 engine vs the Toyota 2zz that they went with. The Toyota engine only puts out 180hp which does move a car this light, but is still not what it could be.

I'm pretty sure price has something to do with that.  I bet the 2ZZ motor costs half as much as the S2000 motor.  Besides, I'm not a fan of the whole VTEC thing.  Under 6k, the S2000 is a bit of a dog.  As soon as you hit 6k, it's like you flicked a light switch.  More noise, more power, but it goes away when you get back down below 6k.  Annoying.

The other factor is that the S2000 motor is installed inline with the car's centerline.  The 2ZZ (and MR2) motor is transverse already, making it a much easier swap into the Lotus.

[M-train]

The Toyota engine is VTEC as well. I used to have one in my 00 Celica GTS. At about 6k it felt like you hit the boost on a turbo, but anything under that, and it was a dog.

I can understand the Toyota engine already turned correctly for the Lotus, but going that route they could have went with the turbo engine, and drivetrain from a Toyota MR1. The engine is turbo charged so even in stock form it would have bested the 2zz, anyway, why do auto manufacturers do the things they do is only a guess to most of us.