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Electro-hydraulic power steering

guruatbol

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Ok, does anyone know of a late model Ford that might be found in the wrecking yard that came with an electro-hydraulic power steering pump?

I know Toyota makes a couple, Volvo makes a couple as does Dodge.

I am thinking about how I could put one together for the 67 but would like to keep it all Ford.

Seems pretty straight forward to use a pump that is powered electronically instead of robbing the engine of power.

I would also entertain an electric option for the AC compressor as well.

Mel

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I appreciate you wanting to keep it all Ford, and I don't know the answer but most accessory type stuff or in this case, electronics are made by the same Japanese or Chinese company isn't it?
For example, I used EPAS that is used on some GM cars but made by a company in Japan that supplies the auto industry.
 
Doesn't the power have to come from someplace? I mean it isn't free. Even if its electric the alternator has to supply the power and that's coming from the crank just like the existing power steering. Any idea which ultimately uses more power? The electric may be more efficient if its "on demand", that is "not used" until its needed whereas the stock pump is always driven. Interesting idea. There must be a reason Toy, Volvo and Dodge are doing it.
FYI, because of inefficiencies a 150A alternator would pull about 7-8 hp at full load. Power steering uses 15-20 hp.
 
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Many times the system used is chosen for a variety of reasons ranging from component cost, technological capabilities to space availability. From a "power-robbing" perspective since the alternator is already being driven additional amp usage isn't really going to change things. Adding another accessory belt drive certainly will. To Craig's point, hardly anything is uniquely Ford or any manufacturer anymore. For Mel's purpose I think one of the new electric power steering assist set-ups would be a better choice. Easy, inexpensive (it you do it yourself) and to my liking, less clutter in the engine bay.
 
I'm liking the looks of the EPAS stuff myself. Power assist with not much more than a motor on the column. No pump, no fluid to leak, no hoses, win win win.
 
I chose EPAS mostly because my 429 already uses a lot of the engine bay. The EPAS is nice in that from under the hood, you cannot tell it has PS. The electric draw must be pretty low because I still run a 65 amp alternator with no problems. But I also have the system turned down when I am driving. I turn it up when parking. The factory has speed sensitivity which does the same thing. I have had it almost two years now and I love it. My dad went with the Borgenson system on his 66 that was factory with no PS. He is also quite happy but he has a 306 (289 with a 302 crank and .030" over) so it was an easy swap. For the cost I would go EPAS again.
 
I'm liking the looks of the EPAS stuff myself. Power assist with not much more than a motor on the column. No pump, no fluid to leak, no hoses, win win win.
Not too mention you can switch it off or dial the assist up or down with a simple switch or pot. If i didn't invest in the Borgeson set up a few years ago I would go this path.
 
Not too mention you can switch it off or dial the assist up or down with a simple switch or pot. If i didn't invest in the Borgeson set up a few years ago I would go this path.
This is the biggest problem with long term restorations, most of the crap you buy is outdated before you ever install it. My shelves are full of stuff I'll never use. Its been 25 years, I need to get this done
 
This is the biggest problem with long term restorations, most of the crap you buy is outdated before you ever install it. My shelves are full of stuff I'll never use. Its been 25 years, I need to get this done
I have been "restoring" my 67 for almost 30 years now. I pretty much just did enough bodywork to make it safe to drive, then stuck an engine and drivetrain in it. I drove it around in primer with no interior to speak of for years. It wasn't until my wife suggested we paint it that it got carpet, door handles, bumpers, etc. It was painted in 07, the interior was done in 05. Even since then it has been ongoing upgrades. The brakes are still Granada and Versailles rear from the 90's but the engine was "built" or rebuilt in 99, the rear-end rebuilt in 09, the trans has been rebuilt a few times with a new high stall converter last year but this winter I'm swapping in a TKO600. The EPAS was done almost two years ago, I put aluminum radiator two or three years ago, I just updated the rear taillights to LED last year, and so on. I also bought aluminum heads and a new cam which I will do at the same time I swap out the trans. All the while I have been driving it. I still have lots of upgrades on my wish list but in the mean time I am wearing out the stuff I have now!
 
I have been "restoring" my 67 for almost 30 years now. I pretty much just did enough bodywork to make it safe to drive, then stuck an engine and drivetrain in it. I drove it around in primer with no interior to speak of for years. It wasn't until my wife suggested we paint it that it got carpet, door handles, bumpers, etc. It was painted in 07, the interior was done in 05. Even since then it has been ongoing upgrades. The brakes are still Granada and Versailles rear from the 90's but the engine was "built" or rebuilt in 99, the rear-end rebuilt in 09, the trans has been rebuilt a few times with a new high stall converter last year but this winter I'm swapping in a TKO600. The EPAS was done almost two years ago, I put aluminum radiator two or three years ago, I just updated the rear taillights to LED last year, and so on. I also bought aluminum heads and a new cam which I will do at the same time I swap out the trans. All the while I have been driving it. I still have lots of upgrades on my wish list but in the mean time I am wearing out the stuff I have now!
And that's what I'm doing with my 69. I learned from the 65. Don't start something that you can't finish in a reasonable amount of time.
 
I really don't mind that I've been at it for so long. It's turned into more of a hobby this way. Don't get me wrong I want to finish it but not at the expense of it not being all I want it to be. I want it DONE when it's done...if you know what I mean. Next project will be a different story. Still wanting that old pick-up.
 
I have been "restoring" my 67 for almost 30 years now. I pretty much just did enough bodywork to make it safe to drive, then stuck an engine and drivetrain in it. I drove it around in primer with no interior to speak of for years. It wasn't until my wife suggested we paint it that it got carpet, door handles, bumpers, etc. It was painted in 07, the interior was done in 05. Even since then it has been ongoing upgrades. The brakes are still Granada and Versailles rear from the 90's but the engine was "built" or rebuilt in 99, the rear-end rebuilt in 09, the trans has been rebuilt a few times with a new high stall converter last year but this winter I'm swapping in a TKO600. The EPAS was done almost two years ago, I put aluminum radiator two or three years ago, I just updated the rear taillights to LED last year, and so on. I also bought aluminum heads and a new cam which I will do at the same time I swap out the trans. All the while I have been driving it. I still have lots of upgrades on my wish list but in the mean time I am wearing out the stuff I have now!
Where I'm trying to get but I sometimes forget and try to get too much done. I'm driving this thing in the spring though. Wait I might have said that for the last 3 years lol.
 
I'll have this guy on the road this spring. Not sure if I'll have the paint fixed by then though.

The plan is to get him back on the road so Amber can drive it daily then work on the Camaro.

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Where I'm trying to get but I sometimes forget and try to get too much done. I'm driving this thing in the spring though. Wait I might have said that for the last 3 years lol.
you are so close! Keep reaching for that goal! (I want to go for a ride!)
 
I'll have this guy on the road this spring. Not sure if I'll have the paint fixed by then though.

The plan is to get him back on the road so Amber can drive it daily then work on the Camaro.

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paint is over rated! Now that mine is painted I have to wash it...
 
paint is over rated! Now that mine is painted I have to wash it...
Lol. When the car was painted the first time I doted over it. Now that it is 12 years old showing its age with some real problems that I need to fix, I don't really care about it.

I know when we have it repainted, I'll be back to my old dick self about where it is parked and how it is washed and etc.

Maybe flat purple primer....

Mel
 
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